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Post by fistful of corn on Mar 15, 2007 4:43:39 GMT -5
Principal bans parents from pro-'gay' seminar Public district students offered guidance on being homosexual"Administrators at North Newton High School in Newton, Mass., have held a seminar for students that explained how to know they are homosexual, but banned parents from attending. "It's absolutely insane," parent Brian Camenker, who also is chief of the Mass Resistance organization, said. "I met with the principal. She told me no parents are allowed. She said only by invitation. I asked, 'Can I be invited.' She said, 'No.'" The event, called "ToBeGlad Day," was the school's "Transgender Bisexual Gay Lesbian Awareness Day," and students were given a pamphlet that explains what it means to be "gay," tells students how they are supposed to know if they are "gay," and responds to the question, "Will I ever have sex?" " ... story continueswww.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54708
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 15, 2007 4:52:31 GMT -5
The Virginia legislature voted down a measure that would require parental permission for non-academic extracurricular clubs. The gay and lesbian activists here threw a fit about it though.
To me, those clubs are sort of like a club meeting on school grounds where young kids can find sexual partners. I don't think they do the same thing for straight kids, after all.
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Post by fistful of corn on Mar 15, 2007 4:54:10 GMT -5
It is recruiting, plain and simple. Like most predators, they target the weak-minded amongst the herd.
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 15, 2007 4:56:45 GMT -5
The teenage years are the prime time for that sort of thing. Probably why you see so many military recruiters on campuses as well as youth ministers elsewhere.
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Post by fistful of corn on Mar 15, 2007 4:58:54 GMT -5
Absolutely, those formative years.
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Post by deathweaver on Mar 19, 2007 21:34:04 GMT -5
@ fistful: I can definitely understand your opinion on recruitment, but I think we need to delve into this a bit further. Let's face it, high school is hard enough. If you're a social outcast to begin with, revealing that you're gay could make it worse. Is that the message we want to send the teens of tomorrow, that if you're gay, just forget any social activities at all? My opinion is that there's nothing wrong with being gay, period. I'm not going to condone a school club meeting that's allowing teens to find sexual partners, but at the same time, at least none of them will wind up with children of their own.
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Post by fistful of corn on Mar 23, 2007 7:07:56 GMT -5
The message that I would want to send to teens o' tomorrow (and of today) is that bein' gay is wrongful, don't do it! We have differing opinions concerning that; I find it to be depraved and filthy, myself. I find it alarming that, although opinions differ, schools are not merely 'tolerating it', but 'affirming it', despite protests from parents. If the public school system is going to start teaching our kids enmasse that gayness is natural and 'okay', then the government should provide access to school vouchers so that parents that do not agree, and do not want their children exposed to what they regard as filth, would have an affordable option.
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 23, 2007 9:33:43 GMT -5
I'm sort of in the middle on this. I think some people are probably predisposed to being gay, whether that's a mental health issue or not is another subject. My concern with this particular subject is that kids are impressionable and I am somewhat uncomfortable with adults running groups for minors that are based on sexuality. I think that leaves a lot of room for abuse of the position, especially in the age where we're having straight teachers messing with minor kids as well.
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Post by deathweaver on Mar 23, 2007 21:21:49 GMT -5
@ Zero: now that's where I can agree with you. It is a group that is based around sexuality, but it's not just sexuality. Most of the gay people I know would recognize "homosexuality" as much of a lifestyle as a sexual decision. I feel that if anything, this group should be monitored more closely because of the nature of the group, but we should allow the group to exist.
@ fistful: As mentioned before, you and I have differing opinions about gay people. I don't see it as depraved and filthy, I see it as other humans beings choosing a different life for the sake of happiness. As a parent, if my son is going to be happy as a gay man, then so be it. At the end of the day, I can't force anyone to not be gay, I can only show them what options are available, and that they choose whatever decision will allow them to be happy. If you are a gay man, all I ask is that you not hit on me, I'm definitely straight! LOL. (I think the thread needed a little humor in it anyways.)
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 25, 2007 18:11:23 GMT -5
The other side of that coin is that if we allow the homosexual clubs on high school campuses, should we allow outright heterosexual clubs as well? I know that's the pretty stereotypical argument, but there is some validity to it since it's a group defining itself by sexual orientation as well. But maybe I'm just getting more prudish as I'm getting to that stage where I'm wanting kids myself.
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Post by deathweaver on Mar 27, 2007 9:22:36 GMT -5
@ Zero: oddly enough, I've thought the same thing, but about television channels instead. Since we have BET, what's the reason why we can't have a channel devoted to the Anglo-Saxons? And the reason is: we're not a minority. "Straight white man have more opportunities than minorities, including straight, white women." While I personally believe this is bullshit, it's not my decision to make. I don't see any reason why such a high school couldn't have a heterosexual club as well.
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 28, 2007 17:24:33 GMT -5
death, I think parents would probably pretty leery of a hetero club as well. It's a little different than cultural/ethnic and chess clubs in that it's one of those things that, even though we don't act like it most times, is something for adults to gather around.
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Post by deathweaver on Mar 28, 2007 17:53:09 GMT -5
@ Zero: We as adults do gather around and discuss these subjects, but the adult community can't come up with a solution that fits everyone. We've got a president who wants a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, while the majority of Americans, quite frankly, don't care one way or the other. We've also got religious communities that would support such a ban, and the gay community that's forwarding their own agenda for full marriage rights to same-sex couples. If we as adults can't show a unified front for future generations, we basically allow them to make their own uninformed decisions.
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Post by Absolute Zero on Mar 30, 2007 1:38:55 GMT -5
I'd agree, there's not ever going to be a consensus on much. Added, schools have changed a lot from when we were kids, and that's in less than a decade.
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